"Stop forcing your beliefs on me!" whined the carnist as they ate the flesh of someone who was literally forced to die because of the carnist’s beliefs that they are entitled to others’ bodies
It sounds like you’re confusing carnism with cannibalism
Ah no it seems like you’re confused about what we mean when we say “someone.” You see there is this really weird, radical notion within veganism that animals are, in fact; not objects.
annathentea asked "What is unethical about consuming dairy and eggs from farm animals that have been looked after, are able to go outside freely, and are given good food? (Also, don't cows have to be milked to avoid discomfort? Or can that be done through baby-feeding?) I live in the UK and the dairy and egg farming industry here is much less factorised than in the US (I think)... I am vegetarian and a strong advocate for animals equal rights, thank you xx :)"
Fantastic question! As far as milk and cows, cows only produce milk if they are pregnant. That means in order to produce enough milk to be profitable the cows are constantly giving being impregnated and giving birth. That is very hard on their bodies. But that also means that there are a bunch of baby cows being born. If they are male, then they have no use for the diary industry so they often end up being shipped off to be veal. Calves are deprived of their mothers milk, so humans can drink it, then mother and baby are separated, and baby becomes another victim of the cruel veal industry where babies are tortured so their meat will “taste better.” I’m sure you know already though just how cruel veal is since you are a vegetarian.
Also, just like other mammals, humans as they grow up, aren’t supposed to need milk. So, when you hear about people being lactose intolerant, the fact is that is natural, because we aren’t biologically supposed to be drinking milk as we get older. We all to some degree are lactose intolerant, though I’m sure diary bothers some people more than others.
As far as eggs. The problem is that many companies claim that they are cage-free, but the chickens are jammed packed and abuse is still rampant. Male chicks in the egg industry are ground up alive because they are of no use to the industry because they can’t lay eggs. Now, hypothetically if you got rescue hens or your neighbor has them, and you have visited the place and see that they are being well taken care of, then I personally don’t think that’s ethically wrong, assuming of course we are talking about non-fertile eggs. Some vegans still don’t think it’s okay as you are consuming the product of an animal. But I guess my concern would be, is the place you get your eggs from doing this for a profit, if it is then abuse will happen. Or, it is your neighbor who just has extra eggs from the chickens.
FYI-Farm Sanctuary collects their eggs from their hens, hard boils them, then feeds them back to the chickens shell and all as an important source for calcium.
Hello! I’d just like to add that actually, it is still unethical to take the eggs of a laying hen, even if she is on a family farm with lots of space and comfort. The reasons why can be summed up here.
Thanks for the info the-vegan-elves. You just changed my mind. I always thought that was a vegan grey area, but now I agree, keep the eggs with the hens.
Bottom line: “If a chicken’s eggs are removed on a regular basis, she will continue to lay, in a futile attempt to follow her instincts and form a proper brood. In fact, a chicken’s nesting instincts are so strong that they will continue to try to build a brood whether or not there is a rooster present to fertilize their eggs.”
I’m glad to hear that I’ve changed your mind! It’s something a lot of people don’t know about eggs, so I try to spread the information whenever I get the chance. Thank you for taking the time to read the link and for being open-minded enough to change your views.